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Dancer
Yes I had a good look through part 1975 last night.  I do reckon Girls by Moments was a dance that was rehearsed in 24 hours because the dance is so easy and camera time can be taken up being focused on each dancer.  Girls at the time they danced was No.3 in the charts and had jumped up six places granted but still quite dangerous as All Platinum records really were quite specialist.  The record I think they were supposed to dance to that week would have been Bad Company's Good Loving Gone Bad which was charting in America too.  Of course splitting hairs is not my idea but it cannot be a Frisbee song really.

I stand by Barry White as above and I think they were either given Yesterday by Beatles and/or Jungle Rock by Hank Mizelle.  I am leaning to the latter because yes this was a fab dance but it could have been rehearsed fairly quickly especially with the added extras.  I reckon Flick made a comedy out of it.  Always got the feeling she was not too keen on this sort of music to dance to.  The Beatles, Yesterday I reckon was one that was intentional as they would dance to others by the Beatles.  Would be interested in the views on these.

It is really difficult to try and establish a Frisbee because generically Flick chose a record that was hovering outside of the Top 30 (entered fairly high), or entered in the lower twenties.  Quite a rarity for her to dice with death and choose one out of the Top 10.

I am trying to establish the run of Frisbees.  I think we can cast aside 1974 as they were on strike for majority of the summer.  I need to have a good look at the charts pre 1974.

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Dancer wrote
It is really difficult to try and establish a Frisbee because generically Flick chose a record that was hovering outside of the Top 30 (entered fairly high), or entered in the lower twenties.
As I understand it, Flick did not choose anything. She was given a record.
It's also not correct to say that those records were "generally" hovering outside the Top 30. Sometimes they were (especially in 1973), but more often Pan's People danced to records that had already charted in the Top 30, many times even in the Top 10.
http://one-for-the-dads.979225.n3.nabble.com/Pan-s-People-Rock-The-Charts-td4072857.html

Regarding Girls, this was danced to on 03/04/1975 when the record spent its second week at No. 3 (after a climb from No. 9 the previous week). The Moments & Whatnauts had appeared in the studio two weeks before so the BBC could have easily repeated that performance. I don't think they rehearsed to Bad Company, as the video for that record was shown the following week.

Some interesting thoughts anyway.
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While there may be different versions of events at different times (or even the same time), Flick said in the 1979 Patches link I posted yesterday that she chose the record, and the criteria were "the record has not only to be in the top thirty and on the way up the charts, it also has to be something that wasn't in the week before and probably one we can't get the artist for".

I seem to recall reading an article where she said she made the record choice jointly with the producer, but that may take some finding.

Good luck with your research Dancer, I suspect finding the sequence will be difficult, but you never know, and it would be quite a find.
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the criteria were "the record has not only to be in the top thirty and on the way up the charts, it also has to be something that wasn't in the week before and probably one we can't get the artist for".
That's interesting. There must be dozens of examples that didn't meet those criteria.

For some reason I used to think the producer chose the record but maybe that was just one side of the story. In the book it says on page 77:

STANLEY APPEL
PRODUCER-DIRECTOR, TOP OF THE POPS
I was producer and director of Top of the Pops for quite a few years. (...) One of the reasons for having a dance troupe on the programme was because there weren't very many videos at the time and, when we got records from foreign artists who weren't in the country, we had to have a method of visualising the record. We'd give that record to Flick Colby and she'd then have to think up a dance routine.

Now, to me that doesn't sound as if Flick had the choice to decide what to dance to.
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It is difficult.  I will always question the Moments track though.  If Flick did choose one song that week it would have been Bad Company in my opinion.  I have never heard it so it is pure guess work.  I need to have a good look at 1970 onwards and find out a possible Frisbee.  I only have access to Top 40 charts and not 41 onwards.  

I reckon I am right regarding the Jungle Rock track though.  That was really nursed on Radio 1 before it charted.  Thank you for the attachment VV.  Really handy to refer to.

I think also I am picking records that have gone down unexpectedly one week and they are not really Frisbees.  I think we need a separate topic - maybe Unexpected Downers.  It is too late to think of that one.  Will leave that for the professionals.

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Interesting because Cherry said that "we would rehearse the track that [we] had chose and then the Producers PA would come in and say you have to dance to this one".  A grey area obviously.

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This post was updated on .
It was said in the 1975 TOTP annual "Flick decides, with the director of the programme, which record Pan’s People will dance to. Usually, they try to give Flick a choice, but the record has to come from the Top Thirty."

Flick said in 1977 "sometimes the producer gives us a selection of records to choose from but often the BBC stipulate one".

So she or the journalist seems to have overstated her role in the 1979 quote, essentially it was the director who chose.
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I had the 1975 annual and that is where I remember it from too.  Jogged my memory.  I only wanted their annuals for Christmas just for Pans.  Think I stopped in 1977 and went onto Abba annuals.

I had a brief look at the charts in the early seventies last night but to analyse a Frisbee would be difficult as records tended to loiter around for weeks on end.  For example, I always thought that Help Me Make it Through the Night by Gladys Knight would have been a Frisbee as that was not danced to and Motown was a staple for them really.

As Cherry mentioned the Frisbee in her interview she joined in 1973 so I get the feeling this is when the Beeb realised they were more than popular and started to look for songs themselves and not give Flick a 100%/partial choice.  
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Finished reading Phil Collins' autobiography and he mentions about being invited to TOTP to perform I Know What I Like.  Get the feeling the producers thought they would jump at the chance but they turned it down and said they were progressive rock and did not want to disappoint their fans by appearing on a commercial show.  Yes this dance was good and memorable but equally it did seemed rushed and 75% of the routine was based around the girls walking down the catwalk.

I reckon this was given to them by the Producers and they were rehearsing to Behind Closed Doors by Charlie Rich, hence this maybe was a Frisbee.
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I reckon It's Time for Love by Chi-Lites was a Frisbee in 1975.  I would imagine Flick would choose it and the producers put the block on it give its suggestive lyrics.  I listened to this track today and it always sounded the perfect Pans routine:- easy to interpret.  I reckon it was shelved and Bob Marley was replaced.  
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"It's Time For Love" had been featured on TOTP 02/10/1975 (it seems this even was a studio performance), so the chances it would have been picked again the following week (on 09/10/1975) are very slim indeed.
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Finished reading Phil Collins' autobiography and he mentions about being invited to TOTP to perform I Know What I Like.  
Much as I love Pan's People (obviously) I think it's a pity Genesis didn't go down to the studio to perform the song. It would have been the classic Gabriel line-up and a great piece of footage to look back on now. Consequently, when they finally did make it to Shepherds Bush six years later they were down to a three-piece.
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Thanks.  Cannot remember them performing at all.  I still think it was a possible Frisbee then and they danced/told  to Art Garfunkel instead when the Chi Lites had entered the top 30.  When Art Garfunkel was No.1 did he perform?  
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We can't be sure as those episodes are wiped. He did perform when he was at No. 4 though and possibly this performance was repeated when he was at No. 1.
With all due respect it is hard for me to believe that "I Only Have Eyes For You", being the beautiful dance that it is, was a late replacement.
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Maybe but I am going to stick to the former.  I reckon Flick chose Chi Lites and the PA came down with Art Garfunkel about Friday.  Still trying to work out the six/four ratio and I am still leaning to 1975/76.
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Not really a Frisbee as such but I do get the feeling that the Rod Stewart track This Ole Heart of Mine was a very rushed job.  The outfits are nautical looking and I do think they were going to dance to Supership by George Bad Benson which was an underground disco song.
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Call me a landlubber but the TOHOM outfits don't look at all nautical to me.
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Blue + white + red = nautical!

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Hmm. Indeed.
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I had better have a look - forgive me I thought they were.  I cannot watch them at the moment because of our dear late Ruth - too raw.  I thought they were striped blue.  I still think that was the song they were going to dance to though.  Have a listen.
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